In what universe do you need to be told that using 2 accounts and pretending to be 2 different players to play a game where you're only supposed to have one account is cheating?
Why in the world would you think someone having a 2 to 1 advantage over every other player in the game is not cheating? Do you just not understand what the word "cheating" means? Just because somethign is possible doesn't mean it's not cheating. That's something a child would think and it's idiotic.
Quit defending cheating.
I win games all the time against cheaters. But I also play mostly 5 and 6 player. I could see in 4 player it being a big problem if someone owns half the board/troops.
Sometimes it's a disadvantage for the cheaters using 2 accounts because their goal is to make both of them take the top positions. But sometimes one of those accounts might get badly beaten up and killing them is the way to win the game. Leave it for someone else to do and your game is over. Sometimes this is how I know they're cheating, because they don't take the obvious route of killing the weak player with 5 cards and sweeping the board.
The really good cheaters play each account like it's an individual account in a FFA, with only the slight sway of trying to position to knock out other players that aren't the "ally" account.
By the way, there are some really stupid players. This game is primarily emotion especially for the idiots. Try to play master and up and you'll find accounts more often making the intelligent decision, or cheating.
Yeah, I haven't shown you defending cheating.....you've only started a thread about how using multiple accounts isn't cheating and made dozens of posts in that thread over 2 years defending using multiple accounts lol.
You don't get to make up your own definition of cheating Matt. There are rules and the rules saying using multiple accounts is CHEATING.
Stop cheating and defending cheating.
You have to be autistic.
I believe I started the post, BEFORE SMG posted those rules, just an FYI.
Still haven't shown me a post where I defended cheating.
Agreed once, and referred to an exploit debate or something, but where is the defending cheating.
I hate cheating, misunderstood sometimes, sure probably guilty of that to, it's a human thing but I try!
None of this admits to me being a cheater or defending them. (supporting them)
Matt....you don't get to make up your own rules.
Using more than one player is cheating lol.
It doesn't matter what you "believe". SMG themselves (again, as if anyone with a brain needed to hear it from them) has said using MULTIPLE ACCOUNTS IS CHEATING.
So who cares what you call it? You're a cheater.
It is cheating and you're defending it.
So "yup guilty"?
I know you're guilty....... that was kind of my whole point?
That you've been defending cheating for literally 2 years lol?
I mean, you've literally been doing that. You started a topic about how one player using 2 accounts in one game wasn't cheating ....it was an "exploit" lol.
Really dude, did you hit your head and just forget all the times you've defended cheating over the last 2 years? Because we can all still see your posts.
Yup, guilty!
You'll find many posts from me where I believe there is a difference between a cheat vs an exploit.
One is fixable. Example, someone runs a second app along side Risk, that manipulates the dice and rolls all sixes only for them. They used a cheat called "Roll all sixes" to cheat. Needs to be fixed, patched!
Someone playing dirty, without anything to alter game code, I basically call an exploit, who cares!
You don't have to agree, this does not make me a cheater, nor does it make me defend cheaters.
So what...
2 years ago I agreed with the previous poster, it felt like others were using two account. Others, not me, whats your point?
Matt you even said "the majority of the cheating comes from guys using multiple accounts to sit on areas they want to take over" in this thread lol. You defended it saying "it's not really cheating".
Uh, yes it is. SMG OFFICIALLY (not that anyone with a brain thought one user using 2 account in the same game wasn't cheating) said using 2 accounts is CHEATING.
And the cheating isn't rare. I just got a message form SMG where they said they ban 250 people a week for it and that's just the people that actually get caught. You have to fill out a report and they told me to take a screenshot of the cheating (although I don't know how without context a screenshot is going to prove anything).
I've seen players using multiple accounts dozens of times in the last few weeks. Again you can watch games after you're killed. When one "player" just sits there and lets the other take them out......that's OBVIOUSLY 1 person.
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And I've played plenty of masters and up. They aren't any better than a lot of low ranked players. They just use multiple accounts.
There are some terrible players but Risk is luck based as much as skill. If you get a bad initial set up or if you have some "unlucky" rolls early on Master or not (unless you're cheating) you're going to have a hard time winning.
You also have to have the patience of Job to play online because so many players are so timid. I've lost many a game in fixed card games just because I didn't have time to sit there for 2 hours and wait for someone to make a move. If the game turns into a Mexican standoff I'm not going to sit there and collect cards with everyone for 2 hours, I just take out the player who has been doing the least.
It's just a game. I don't get why you would cheat and I don't get why players sit off in corners of the board collecting cards instead of trying to win.
I like fixed games better too, it's more skill based whereas progressive is a lot more luck, who happens to get cards at the right time.
But so many fixed games end up with everyone afraid to make a move. I wish they'd implement some kind of time limit in fixed games or rule to stop people from just sitting on a territory and army building.
Allen, thanks for the response. I have had times when I can't tell the difference too (between one player with multiple accounts and someone who just might be a bad player). With the last case I was complaining about it was obvious.
I have generally been playing fixed - just my preference. But what you're saying makes sense. I'm going to try the progressive more.
But I really like the game and the multiple maps. Best of Luck!
I have 6 accounts because years ago when I actually played often, there was no filtering of ranks that can join my game. So it was constant boot people and wait for good ranks to join and sometimes not enough were on so I'd just create a new account so I didn't care that I was playing idiots, and would become a grandmaster rather quickly and end up making another account lol
There is definitely some luck. Sometimes I lose more troops than I gain every turn just trying to kill a 1 army territory for a card and it greatly reduces my chances of winning. But most of the time I'm able to position and destroy everyone in one sweep / make someone cheating have little chance of being able to stop me. 2 other people ganging up on me won't stop me so a guy using 2 accounts can't stop me either. But they'll try.
Yes in fixed games I can see cheating being way worse. Fixed games seem great in the beginning but quickly become a stalemate. There needs to be a rule about max armies per territory or to transform it into semi-progressive. For example, when you trade in 3 infantry cards you get the 4 troops and the next trade of 3 infantry is 6 troops.
Another way to fix fixed games would be to make the end game different. perhaps most territories controlled at the end of 10 rounds or something instead of total domination.
Now, yes it's just a game. So I wonder why people bother cheating. Way back in the beginning I got the bright idea of using 2 accounts to win. But after 2 or 3 games I realized that I was making the game boring. And who cares if you're actually number 1 anyway? If I really cared to put the time into it, I would be in the number 1 (cheater) slot. I don't even know who's in it right now. That's how much I care haha.
The only other time I cheated was when a known cheater joined my game with his other cheating account. Nobody else was present in the game since I filled it with computers. I had reported the guy months ago and my surprise of seeing him AGAIN just enraged me. So I made a novice account and kicked his butt AND reported him AGAIN. I haven't seen him since actually so I think the cheat complaint finally got to SMG and got his accounts deleted.
Anyway, if most Masters ARE cheaters (I can't always tell) then I must be pretty good because I win more than 50% of these 6 player games and require at least expert on all of my games. I've also played 4000+ games among all of my accounts so I should be winning even though I hardly play these days, right? ;)
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